📱 A BuddhaCast ✨ with Josephine Nolan and Dave Lang (available as audio podcast on your favorite podcast service). 📱

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In this fascinating and intense deep dive Podcast, Dave and Josephine ask:

“Are we literally making ourselves sick on a molecular level just by the acoustic frequency of our own negative self-talk? If we know that sound waves radically alters the chemistry of water, and we know that if, as the science points to, we are basically walking bags of water, then we have to ask a really uncomfortable question about our own internal monologue.”

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“The casual words we say to ourselves every single day. If chanting Om can structure your cellular water forhealing, what happens when you spend your entire day repeating things like, I’m so exhausted, or I’m falling apart, or I can’t do this? It’s like a reverse mantra.”

Are those daily complaints physically acting as a reverse mantra? Are we literally making ourselves sick on a molecular level just by the acoustic reinforcement of our own negative self-talk? And they dive even deeper into accoustic resonance, cavitation, ancient Buddhist Mantras and life-force retrieval, what shaman used to call “soul retrieval” Don’t miss this fascinating and lively podcast!!

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Dave and Josephine explore this and other science-back aspects of Buddhist meditation and healing, with an intense dive into Buddhist Lifeorce Restoration, or La Gug.

👉 What if the key to unlocking your body’s innate healing power lies not in a pill, but in the ancient vibrations of your own voice and the power of your mind?

On this episode of the Buddha Weekly BuddhaCast, hosts Josephine Nolan and Dave Lang dive deeper than ever before into the intersection of Buddhist wisdom and cutting-edge science. We move beyond basic mindfulness to explore a groundbreaking synthesis of Tibetan healing practices, modern psychoneuroimmunology, and the physics of sound.

👉Join us as we decode how the concept of La—your vital life force—can be fractured by modern stress and how ancient practices like Lagug (vitality retrieval) are designed to repair it.

We’ll explore the “Vajrayana Practices,” comparing the gentle healing of the Medicine Buddha to the fierce, aggressive power of Black Manjushri and the ultimate “nuclear option” of the Vajrapani-Hayagriva-Garuda triad for combating severe illness.

👉Finally, we demystify mantras, revealing them not as mere prayers, but as “acoustic technology” that utilizes sonochemistry to restructure the water in your cells and entrain your biology toward health.

This is the ultimate guide to becoming an active participant in your own healing journey, using the tools of an ancient tradition that modern science is only just beginning to understand.

🔹 DISCLAIMER: These practices are supportive and NOT a replacement for proper medical advice and healthcare.

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Episode Breakdown with Timecodes:

(00:00) Introduction: The New Paradigm of Healing

(02:30) Buddhist Vitality: Understanding the “La” (Life Force)

(05:45) The Mind as Medicine: Shattering the “Syndrome” Trap

(09:15) The Science of the Mind-Body Connection

(14:30) The Vajrayana Pharmacy: The Healers and the “General Practitioner”

(18:45) Aggressive Diseases & The “Nuclear Option”

(22:45) Mantras: Ancient Acoustic Technology

(26:45) The “Reverse Mantra”

(27:45) Conclusion & Final Thoughts

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TRANSCRIPT

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Nadine: Welcome to Buddha Weekly’s

BuddhaCast, deep dive podcasts with

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Nadine: our hosts Josephine Nolan

and Dave Lang.

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Nadine: Buddha Weekly, or our

website BuddhaWeekly.com.

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Nadine: Please like, subscribe, and

share.

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Dave Lang: Okay, so to start off

this deep dive, we’re looking at

something

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Dave Lang: that honestly sounds like

it belongs in uh in a science

fiction

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Dave Lang: novel.

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Josephine Nolan: Oh, yeah,

absolutely.

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Josephine Nolan: It’s wild.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: So strange.

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Dave Lang: So we are looking at the

intersection of mind, body, and

ancient

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Dave Lang: wisdom.

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Dave Lang: And to really get into

Buddhist healing practices, we kind

of

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Dave Lang: have to figure out what

it even means to be unwell from a

Buddhist

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Dave Lang: perspective.

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Josephine Nolan: Right, which is a

totally different paradigm.

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Dave Lang: Yeah, completely.

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Dave Lang: Because, you know, in the

West, we have this very specific

model.

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Dave Lang: Like if you break your

arm, you get an X-ray, there’s a

line

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Dave Lang: on the bone, the doctor

points to it, and boom, there’s your

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Dave Lang: problem.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: It’s a very

mechanical, very localized way of

looking

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Josephine Nolan: at things.

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Dave Lang: Yeah, mechanical.

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Dave Lang: But the Buddhist

framework is just, well, it’s a lot

deeper

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Dave Lang: and maybe a little

murkier for those of us raised in

that Western

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

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Dave Lang: So, okay, let’s unpack

this because the first thing you

have

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Dave Lang: to look at isn’t a

symptom at all.

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Dave Lang: It’s vitality.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah, your life

force.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: And they call this uh

this concept la.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah, la spelled

just la.

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Josephine Nolan: And it translates

roughly to vitality or life force.

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Josephine Nolan: And I think a lot

of our listeners would probably be

familiar

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Josephine Nolan: with um similar

concepts from other traditions,

right?

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Nadine: Like qi.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah, qi in Chinese

medicine, or or prana, if you’re

looking

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Josephine Nolan: at Vedic

traditions.

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Josephine Nolan: It’s that

underlying energy.

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Josephine Nolan: And we’re pulling a

lot of this from teachings by

venerable

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Josephine Nolan: Zasep Tulku

Rinpoche.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: We have a huge stack of

sources today, mostly curated from

Buddha

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Dave Lang: Weekly, which has been

amazing.

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Josephine Nolan: They do great work,

and Rinpoche talks extensively about

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Josephine Nolan: this practice

called Lagug.

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Dave Lang: Lagug, which means

vitality retrieval.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: And the whole

premise here, which I think is so

crucial,

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Josephine Nolan: is that your vital

energy, your la isn’t just this

static

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Josephine Nolan: battery that you’re

born with, and it just slowly drains

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Josephine Nolan: until you die.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: Like it’s not just a

fixed amount.

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Josephine Nolan: No, it fluctuates,

it can be fractured, it can be

weakened

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Josephine Nolan: by trauma or

stress, and most importantly, it can

be intentionally

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Josephine Nolan: restored.

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Dave Lang: Which is huge because

when I was reading through

Rinpoche’s

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weakened la actually feels like, I

was

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Dave Lang: just like, oh my gosh,

this is the modern morning commute.

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Josephine Nolan: Oh, completely.

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Josephine Nolan: It’s everyone on

the subway.

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Dave Lang: Literally everyone.

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Dave Lang: Like he describes it as

feeling ungrounded, right?

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Dave Lang: Having a scattered mind,

or just this total inability to

focus.

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Dave Lang: Like you can’t even sit

down and study or read a book.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah, he says it

makes you feel disconnected from

reality.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: And it’s not just like,

oh, I’m tired, I need a coffee.

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Dave Lang: It’s a fundamental

fracturing of your energy.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

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Dave Lang: And he tells this story,

which I found so funny, but also

kind

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Dave Lang: of devastating, about a

friend of his.

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Josephine Nolan: Oh, the restaurant

story.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

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Dave Lang: Yeah.

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Dave Lang: You know the one.

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Dave Lang: Can you share that?

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Dave Lang: Because it perfectly

illustrates this.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

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Josephine Nolan: So Rinpoche has

this friend who has a severely

depleted

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Josephine Nolan: And they go out to

a restaurant, and this guy is so

ungrounded,

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Josephine Nolan: so completely

disconnected from his own, you know,

internal

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Josephine Nolan: compass that he

can’t even look at the menu and pick

a

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Josephine Nolan: meal.

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Dave Lang: Wow.

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Josephine Nolan: He actually begs

Rinpoche to just order his food for

him.

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Dave Lang: Which, I mean, on the

surface, you kind of chuckle.

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Josephine Nolan: Right.

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Josephine Nolan: Rinpoche even jokes

about it with his students, like,

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Josephine Nolan: I have to choose

everything for you.

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Josephine Nolan: Just eat something.

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Dave Lang: Just pick the salad.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: But when you really

think about it, it is a tragedy.

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Josephine Nolan: Because what you’re

witnessing is a total collapse of

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Josephine Nolan:self-trust.

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Dave Lang: Yeah.

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Josephine Nolan: When your life

force is that depleted by stress or

whatever,

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Josephine Nolan: making even the

lowest stakes decision in the world.

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Dave Lang: Like soup or sandwich.

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Josephine Nolan: Right.

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Josephine Nolan: It feels

paralyzing.

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Josephine Nolan: You just don’t have

the baseline energy to engage with

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Josephine Nolan: the physical world.

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Dave Lang: And he contrasts this,

which I thought was just brilliant.

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Dave Lang: He contrasts this with a

Mongolian nomad.

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Josephine Nolan: Oh, this is such a

profound comparison.

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Dave Lang: Because he looks at a

typical Westerner, right?

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Dave Lang: Someone with maybe two

university degrees, super highly

educated,

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Dave Lang: tons of intellectual data

just packed into their brain.

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Josephine Nolan: But they’re riddled

with anxiety.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: They’re terrified of

making the wrong choice.

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Dave Lang: And then you have this

Mongolian nomad who maybe is

completely

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Dave Lang: illiterate, has never

read a book, but they live in this

harsh

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Dave Lang: mountain environment and

they just possess this immense

grounded

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Dave Lang: bravery.

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Josephine Nolan: They trust

themselves completely.

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Dave Lang: Yes.

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Dave Lang: They just know how to

exist.

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Dave Lang: They aren’t

second-guessing every single step

they take.

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Josephine Nolan: Because they aren’t

constantly draining their labor with

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Josephine Nolan: mental chatter.

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Dave Lang: Exactly.

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Dave Lang: And the analogy that kept

coming to my mind when reading this

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Dave Lang: is it’s like a

smartphone.

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Josephine Nolan: Oh, I like that.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: Like if you have a

smartphone and you have 50

background apps

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Dave Lang: running all at once.

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Josephine Nolan: Oh, and the phone

gets super hot.

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Dave Lang: Yes.

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Dave Lang: The phone is literally

burning up in your pocket.

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Dave Lang: The battery is draining

at like 1% every minute, and you

aren’t

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screen.

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Dave Lang: You’re not even actively

using the phone, but the battery is

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Dave Lang: just dying because of all

these background processes.

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Josephine Nolan: That is a perfect

way to look at modern anxiety.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: Like, does Western

society just have too many

background apps

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Dave Lang: open?

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Dave Lang: Is that why everyone is

chronically fatigued?

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Josephine Nolan: Well, Rinpoche

would argue yes, absolutely.

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Josephine Nolan: And a big part of

that is how we in the West handle

natural

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Josephine Nolan: life changes.

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Dave Lang: Pathologizing of

everything.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: We have this

obsession with taking entirely

normal transitions

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Josephine Nolan: and turning them

into medical syndromes.

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Dave Lang: Right, like midlife

crises.

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Josephine Nolan: Yes, or menopause,

or the one Rinpoche really points

out

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Josephine Nolan: is empty nest

syndrome.

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Dave Lang: Oh, that one is so

interesting because he’s basically

like,

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Dave Lang: Why is this a syndrome?

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Josephine Nolan: He’s baffled by it.

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Josephine Nolan: He looks at empty

nest syndrome and he says, wait a

minute,

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Josephine Nolan: your kids have

successfully grown up.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: They survived.

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Josephine Nolan: They survived, they

moved out, they’re starting their

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Josephine Nolan: own lives.

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Josephine Nolan: You did your job.

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Josephine Nolan: And now suddenly

you have all this freedom.

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Josephine Nolan: You can travel, you

can meditate, you can go back to

school,

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Josephine Nolan: you can just sleep

in on a Saturday.

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Josephine Nolan: Right.

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Dave Lang: It’s a success story.

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Josephine Nolan: But instead of

celebrating it, Western culture

slaps a

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Josephine Nolan: medical label on it

and calls it a syndrome.

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Dave Lang: But wait, how does

calling it a syndrome actually

affect your

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Dave Lang: vitality?

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Dave Lang: Like, isn’t it just a

word?

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Josephine Nolan: Well, if we connect

this to the bigger picture, it all

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Josephine Nolan: comes back to

impermanence, what Buddhists call

anika

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Josephine Nolan: or anicha.

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Dave Lang: Okay.

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Josephine Nolan: The nature of

reality is that things constantly

change.

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Josephine Nolan: Kids grow up,

bodies age, seasons shift.

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Dave Lang: That’s true.

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Josephine Nolan: When you accept

that impermanence, your internal

energy

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Josephine Nolan: just flows with it.

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Josephine Nolan: But when you label

a natural shift as a crisis or a

syndrome,

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Josephine Nolan: you’re

psychologically resisting reality.

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Dave Lang: Oh, I see.

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Dave Lang: You’re bracing against

it.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: You’re constantly

tensing your mental muscles against

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Josephine Nolan: a force that you

literally cannot stop.

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Josephine Nolan: And that invisible

friction, that resistance, is what

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Josephine Nolan: drains your

battery.

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Josephine Nolan: It depletes your

la.

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Dave Lang: That makes so much sense.

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Dave Lang: It’s the resistance that

exhausts you, not the change itself.

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Josephine Nolan: Right.

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Dave Lang: Okay, so that gives us

this amazing philosophical

framework.

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Dave Lang: We understand vitality,

we understand how the mind can drain

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Dave Lang: But I want to pivot here

because the mission of this deep

dive

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Dave Lang: is to look at the

intersection of this ancient wisdom

and modern

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Dave Lang: clinical data.

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Josephine Nolan: And the data is

staggering.

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Dave Lang: It really is.

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Dave Lang: But before we get into

the hard science, we have to

establish

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Dave Lang: the disclaimer that

literally every Buddhist teacher in

our

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Dave Lang: source material

emphasizes.

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Josephine Nolan: Yes, very

important.

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Josephine Nolan: Both venerable

Zasep Tulku Rinpoche and Lama Zopa

Rinpoche

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incredibly clear .

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: They’re saying meditation

is complementary.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: It does not replace

your doctor, it doesn’t replace

vaccines,

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Josephine Nolan: it doesn’t replace

surgery or medication.

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Dave Lang: You don’t just throw away

your prescriptions and sit on a

cushion.

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Josephine Nolan: No, absolutely not.

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Josephine Nolan: The goal is to use

the mind to create the optimal

biological

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Josephine Nolan: environment for the

medicine to actually work.

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Dave Lang: Which brings us to the

flu shot study.

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Dave Lang: Because this study,

published in Psychosomatic Medicine,

this

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Dave Lang: is what blew my mind.

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Josephine Nolan: Oh, this is a

landmark study.

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Dave Lang: It is.

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Dave Lang: So they took a group of

volunteers and they split them right

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Dave Lang: down the middle.

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Dave Lang: One half committed to

doing a daily mindfulness meditation

practice.

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Josephine Nolan: Right, just

standard mindfulness.

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Dave Lang: Yep.

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Dave Lang: And the other half, the

control group, they just lived their

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Dave Lang: normal lives, did nothing

differently.

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Dave Lang: Then the researchers gave

everyone in both groups the standard

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Dave Lang: flu vaccine.

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Josephine Nolan: Which is such a

smart methodology because the

vaccine

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Josephine Nolan: guarantees that

every single person’s immune system

has

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Josephine Nolan: to react.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: They introduced the inert

virus and they just sit back and

measure

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Dave Lang: the immune response.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

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Dave Lang: And what they found was

that the group meditating daily

produced

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Dave Lang: significantly higher

levels of antibodies compared to the

people

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Dave Lang: who didn’t meditate.

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Josephine Nolan: It’s incredible.

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Dave Lang: But I want to push back

on this a little bit, or at least

play

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Dave Lang: devil’s advocate.

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Dave Lang: Is this just the placebo

effect on steroids?

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Dave Lang: Because how does sitting

quietly on a cushion actually

manufacture

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Dave Lang: physical antibodies in

your bloodstream?

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Josephine Nolan: It’s a great

question.

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Josephine Nolan: And it’s not magic.

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Josephine Nolan: It comes down to

the autonomic nervous system.

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Dave Lang: Okay, lay it on me.

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Josephine Nolan: So Dr.

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Josephine Nolan: Herbert Benson from

Harvard Medical School’s Mind Body

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Josephine Nolan: Institute did

decades of research on this.

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Josephine Nolan: He coined the term

the relaxation response.

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Dave Lang: The relaxation response.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

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Josephine Nolan: So when you’re

stressed, and I mean just normal,

modern,

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Josephine Nolan: sitting in traffic

kind of stress, your body locks into

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Josephine Nolan: the sympathetic

nervous system.

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Dave Lang: The fight or flight mode.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: Your adrenal glands

are pumping out cortisol, adrenaline

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Josephine Nolan: is flowing.

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Josephine Nolan: And biologically,

when your brain thinks you’re being

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Josephine Nolan: chased by a tiger,

it does not care about a microscopic

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Josephine Nolan: virus.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: Fighting off a cold is

not a priority if you’re about to be

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Dave Lang:eaten.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: So your body

actively diverts resources away from

your

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Josephine Nolan: immune system to

power your muscles and your heart.

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Dave Lang: Wow.

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Dave Lang: So modern life is just

constantly starving our immune

system.

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Josephine Nolan: Constantly.

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Josephine Nolan: But when you

meditate, you actively trigger the

parasympathetic

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Josephine Nolan: nervous system, the

rest and digest state.

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Dave Lang: And that flips the

switch.

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Josephine Nolan: It does.

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Josephine Nolan: Metabolism

decreases, blood pressure lowers,

your heart

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Josephine Nolan: rate drops.

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Josephine Nolan: You are signaling

to your biology that the environment

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Josephine Nolan: is safe.

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Josephine Nolan: And once the body

knows it’s safe, it diverts all that

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Josephine Nolan: energy back into

cellular repair and immune defense.

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Dave Lang: Oh man.

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Dave Lang: So it’s like it’s like

taking your immune system to the

gym.

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Josephine Nolan: That’s exactly what

it is.

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Dave Lang: You aren’t just ignoring

stress.

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Dave Lang: You’re actually doing

mental reps to train your T cells

and

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Dave Lang: your antibodies to do

their jobs better.

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Josephine Nolan: You’re taking the

brakes off the body’s natural

healing

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Josephine Nolan: capacity.

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Josephine Nolan: And we see this not

just with the flu, but with cellular

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Josephine Nolan: aging.

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Dave Lang: The anti-aging research.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

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Dave Lang: The stuff on

metta-meditation.

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Josephine Nolan: Yes.

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Josephine Nolan: Metta, which is

loving-kindness meditation.

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Josephine Nolan: This research is

wild.

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Josephine Nolan: So aging at a

biological level is largely tied to

these

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Josephine Nolan: things called

telomeres.

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Dave Lang: Okay, remind me what a

telomere is.

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Josephine Nolan: I think of them

like the little plastic caps at the

ends

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Josephine Nolan: of your shoelaces.

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Dave Lang: Oh, the aglets.

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Josephine Nolan: Right.

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Josephine Nolan: But instead of

shoelaces, they sit at the ends of

your

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Josephine Nolan: chromosomes to

protect your DNA from fraying.

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Dave Lang: Got it.

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Josephine Nolan: Now, every time a

cell divides, those telomeres get a

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Josephine Nolan: tiny bit shorter,

and when they get too short, the

cell

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Josephine Nolan: can’t divide

anymore and it dies.

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Dave Lang: So that’s aging.

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Josephine Nolan: That is the literal

mechanism of aging.

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Josephine Nolan: And chronic stress

accelerates that shortening process.

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Josephine Nolan: It causes oxidative

stress that just chews up those

telomeres.

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Dave Lang: But the research on

loving-kindness meditation shows

what?

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Josephine Nolan: It shows that

people who regularly practice

metta-meditation,

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Josephine Nolan: and they actually

found this was especially pronounced

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Josephine Nolan: in women, they

preserve their telomere length.

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Dave Lang: Wait, really?

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Josephine Nolan: Yes.

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Josephine Nolan: Their relative

telomere length, or RTL, acts as a

biomarker

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Josephine Nolan: for longevity.

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Josephine Nolan: By actively

generating feelings of compassion

and love,

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Josephine Nolan: they are literally

slowing down the biological aging

process

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Josephine Nolan: at a cellular

level.

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Dave Lang: That is just — it’s

almost hard to wrap your head

around.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

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Dave Lang: But it totally tracks

with the findings from the Mayo

Clinic,

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Dave Lang: right?

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Josephine Nolan: Oh yeah.

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Josephine Nolan: The Mayo Clinic

uses meditation as a complementary

treatment

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Josephine Nolan: for all sorts of

things asthma, cancer, chronic pain,

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Josephine Nolan: irritable bowel

syndrome.

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Dave Lang: Because when you turn the

mind onto the body in a focused,

relaxed

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Dave Lang: way, the body finally has

the bandwidth to heal.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Dave Lang: Okay, so we’ve

established that the mind can heal

the body.

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Dave Lang: But here’s where the

Tibetan Buddhist tradition gets

really

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Dave Lang: specific and honestly

fascinating.

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Dave Lang: Because they don’t just

sit there and vaguely try to relax.

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Josephine Nolan: Oh, they have very

precise tools.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: They use these

visualizations, which they call

deity yoga, to

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Dave Lang: target specific

illnesses.

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Dave Lang: I want to get into this,

but first we need to clarify the

word

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Dave Lang: deity.

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Dave Lang: Because in the West, we

hear that and we think, you know, a

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Dave Lang: guy on a cloud with a

beard.

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Josephine Nolan: Yeah, an external

creator God who is going to swoop in

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Josephine Nolan: and save you if you

pray hard enough.

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Dave Lang: Right.

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Dave Lang: But that’s not what this

is.

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Josephine Nolan: Not at all.

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Josephine Nolan: In Vajrayana and

Mahayana Buddhism, these visualized

deities

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Josephine Nolan: are archetypes.

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Josephine Nolan: They are

representations of your own internal

Buddha nature.

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Dave Lang: Okay, so you’re

visualizing your own potential.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

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Josephine Nolan: You are using this

vivid ancient imagery to wake up a

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Josephine Nolan: specific

psychological state within yourself.

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Dave Lang: And the most famous one,

the sort of baseline practice, is

the

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Dave Lang: Medicine Buddha.

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Josephine Nolan: Yes, the Medicine

Buddha.

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Josephine Nolan: He was the general

practitioner of the Buddha system.

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Dave Lang: The general practitioner.

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Dave Lang: I love that.

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Dave Lang: And he’s visualized as

this brilliant lapis lazuli blue

light.

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Josephine Nolan: Right, sitting

there holding a bowl of healing

nectar

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Josephine Nolan: and a medicinal

plant.

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Dave Lang: And there’s this

incredible detail from Jason

Espada’s writings

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Dave Lang: on this.

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Dave Lang: He points out the

etymology of the word medicine.

534

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Dave Lang: The Latin root is meteor.

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Josephine Nolan: Meteor, right.

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Dave Lang: And that root is actually

the origin for both the word

medication

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Dave Lang: and the word meditation.

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Josephine Nolan: Wow.

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Dave Lang: Yeah.

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Dave Lang: They both literally mean

to heal or to make whole.

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Josephine Nolan: That’s a beautiful

connection because in the Medicine

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Josephine Nolan: Buddha practice,

you visualize this blue light

entering

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Josephine Nolan: your crown, washing

through your nervous system, and

literally

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Josephine Nolan: flushing out the

sickness as this dark smoke or

sludge.

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Dave Lang: And they also chant the

mantra, right?

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Josephine Nolan: Yes.

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Josephine Nolan: Typically they

chant the Medicine Buddha mantra 108

times

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Josephine Nolan: over a glass of

water.

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Dave Lang: Oh, to empower the water.

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Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

560

00:15:13,440 –> 00:15:16,639

Josephine Nolan: You imbue the water

with that intention, and then the

561

00:15:16,639 –> 00:15:17,600

Josephine Nolan: sick person drinks

it.

562

00:15:17,600 –> 00:15:20,480

Josephine Nolan: It’s a very

holistic grounding practice.

564

00:15:21,519 –> 00:15:23,360

Dave Lang: Okay, but here’s where it

gets really interesting.

565

00:15:23,360 –> 00:15:27,120

Dave Lang: Because the Medicine

Buddha is great for general healing.

566

00:15:27,120 –> 00:15:31,840

Dave Lang: But what if you have

something terrifying, like cancer or

Ebola,

567

00:15:31,840 –> 00:15:34,559

Dave Lang: or some aggressive modern

disease?

569

00:15:35,279 –> 00:15:35,279

Josephine Nolan: Right.

571

00:15:35,840 –> 00:15:40,080

Dave Lang: A peaceful blue Buddha

holding a bowl of nectar might not

feel

572

00:15:40,080 –> 00:15:43,440

Dave Lang: powerful enough if your

mind is absolutely panicking.

574

00:15:44,480 –> 00:15:46,559

Josephine Nolan: And the tradition

completely acknowledges that.

575

00:15:46,559 –> 00:15:49,679

Josephine Nolan: What’s fascinating

here is that they have specialized

576

00:15:49,679 –> 00:15:52,240

Josephine Nolan: practices for

exactly that kind of aggressive

threat.

578

00:15:52,720 –> 00:15:53,440

Dave Lang: The specialist Buddhas.

580

00:15:54,080 –> 00:15:54,080

Josephine Nolan: Yes.

581

00:15:54,080 –> 00:15:56,240

Josephine Nolan: And the primary one

for this is Black Manjushri.

583

00:15:57,360 –> 00:15:59,919

Dave Lang: Now Manjushri is usually

the Buddha of wisdom, right?

585

00:16:00,399 –> 00:16:00,960

Josephine Nolan: Normally, yes.

586

00:16:00,960 –> 00:16:03,519

Josephine Nolan: Usually depicted

with a sword to cut through

ignorance.

587

00:16:03,519 –> 00:16:07,919

Josephine Nolan: But in this

specific healing manifestation, he

takes on

588

00:16:07,919 –> 00:16:11,360

Josephine Nolan: a wrathful,

terrifying, pitch-black form.

590

00:16:11,919 –> 00:16:16,080

Dave Lang: And Venerable Zasep Tulku

Rinpoche specifically recommends

this

591

00:16:16,080 –> 00:16:17,519

Dave Lang: for modern assertive

diseases.

593

00:16:18,159 –> 00:16:18,320

Josephine Nolan: He does.

594

00:16:18,320 –> 00:16:22,559

Josephine Nolan: Cancer, AIDS,

Ebola, and also sicknesses caused by

modern

595

00:16:22,559 –> 00:16:26,000

Josephine Nolan: pollution,

chemicals, radiation, contaminated

water, the

596

00:16:26,000 –> 00:16:27,600

Josephine Nolan: really heavy,

aggressive stuff.

598

00:16:28,240 –> 00:16:30,960

Dave Lang: But wait, I have to ask,

if the whole point of this is to

trigger

599

00:16:30,960 –> 00:16:35,519

Dave Lang: the relaxation response

and lower cordisol, why on earth

would

600

00:16:35,519 –> 00:16:38,879

Dave Lang: you visualize a

terrifying, wrathful deity?

601

00:16:38,879 –> 00:16:40,720

Dave Lang: Wouldn’t that just stress

you out more?

603

00:16:41,120 –> 00:16:42,000

Josephine Nolan: It’s a paradox,

right?

604

00:16:42,000 –> 00:16:44,399

Josephine Nolan: But

psychologically, it is brilliant.

605

00:16:44,399 –> 00:16:45,600

Josephine Nolan: Think about it.

606

00:16:45,600 –> 00:16:49,679

Josephine Nolan: If a patient is

overwhelmed by a terrifying disease,

their

607

00:16:49,679 –> 00:16:52,639

Josephine Nolan: subconscious feels

like it’s under attack by a monster.

609

00:16:53,279 –> 00:16:53,279

Dave Lang: Right.

611

00:16:53,919 –> 00:16:57,360

Josephine Nolan: If you try to

visualize a gentle, peaceful blue

light,

612

00:16:57,360 –> 00:17:00,480

Josephine Nolan: the subconscious

mind might reject it.

613

00:17:00,480 –> 00:17:01,360

Josephine Nolan: It feels

outmatched.

615

00:17:02,159 –> 00:17:02,639

Dave Lang: Oh, I see.

617

00:17:03,039 –> 00:17:06,799

Josephine Nolan: But if you

visualize Black Manjushri, this

entity that

618

00:17:06,799 –> 00:17:10,000

Josephine Nolan: is fundamentally

indestructible and more terrifying

than

619

00:17:10,000 –> 00:17:13,519

Josephine Nolan: the disease itself,

your mind suddenly feels protected.

621

00:17:14,240 –> 00:17:15,119

Dave Lang: He’s like the ultimate

bodyguard.

623

00:17:16,000 –> 00:17:16,000

Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

624

00:17:16,000 –> 00:17:18,960

Josephine Nolan: He isn’t attacking

the patient, he’s destroying the

disease.

625

00:17:18,960 –> 00:17:23,519

Josephine Nolan: And by recruiting

this inner psychological warrior,

your

626

00:17:23,519 –> 00:17:26,480

Josephine Nolan: nervous system

actually feels safe enough to relax.

628

00:17:27,680 –> 00:17:28,799

Dave Lang: That completely tracks

it.

629

00:17:28,799 –> 00:17:31,759

Dave Lang: I was trying to explain

this to a friend, and the analogy I

630

00:17:31,759 –> 00:17:32,559

Dave Lang: used was computer

software.

632

00:17:33,119 –> 00:17:33,359

Josephine Nolan: Okay, yeah.

634

00:17:33,759 –> 00:17:35,920

Dave Lang: Like if your computer is

running a little slow, you run your

635

00:17:35,920 –> 00:17:38,319

Dave Lang: standard background

antivirus scan.

636

00:17:38,319 –> 00:17:39,359

Dave Lang: That’s the Medicine

Buddha.

637

00:17:39,359 –> 00:17:43,200

Dave Lang: But if your hard drive

gets hijacked by some vicious

ransomware

638

00:17:43,200 –> 00:17:47,200

Dave Lang: that’s destroying all

your files, you don’t use the gentle

background

639

00:17:47,200 –> 00:17:47,759

Dave Lang: scan.

640

00:17:47,759 –> 00:17:51,839

Dave Lang: You go out and download

the most aggressive heavy-duty

malware

641

00:17:51,839 –> 00:17:53,440

Dave Lang: removal tool you can

find.

643

00:17:53,920 –> 00:17:54,720

Josephine Nolan: That is a perfect

analogy.

644

00:17:54,720 –> 00:17:58,400

Josephine Nolan: Black Manjushri is

the heavy-duty malware removal tool.

646

00:17:59,119 –> 00:18:01,039

Dave Lang: But it goes even further

than that.

647

00:18:01,039 –> 00:18:04,799

Dave Lang: Because if Black

Manjushri is the specialized

software, then

648

00:18:04,799 –> 00:18:07,759

Dave Lang: there’s this other

practice which is like the ultimate

nuclear

649

00:18:07,759 –> 00:18:08,160

Dave Lang: option.

651

00:18:08,720 –> 00:18:09,839

Josephine Nolan: Well, you mean the

three-in-one combo?

653

00:18:10,400 –> 00:18:11,039

Dave Lang: The three-in-one combo.

654

00:18:11,039 –> 00:18:14,559

Dave Lang: Vajrapani, Hayagriva, and

King Garuda.

656

00:18:15,759 –> 00:18:15,759

Josephine Nolan: Yes.

657

00:18:15,759 –> 00:18:19,680

Josephine Nolan: This is reserved

for incredibly difficult times,

severe

658

00:18:19,680 –> 00:18:24,720

Josephine Nolan: epidemics, massive

viruses, or just insurmountable

psychological

659

00:18:24,720 –> 00:18:25,359

Josephine Nolan: blockages.

661

00:18:26,160 –> 00:18:28,079

Dave Lang: So you’re visualizing

three different deities at once.

663

00:18:28,480 –> 00:18:32,000

Josephine Nolan: You’re visualizing

a synthesis of three intensely

powerful

664

00:18:32,000 –> 00:18:32,720

Josephine Nolan: archetypes.

666

00:18:33,759 –> 00:18:36,319

Dave Lang: Okay, let’s break these

down because the imagery is so wild,

667

00:18:36,319 –> 00:18:37,359

Dave Lang: starting with Vajrapani.

669

00:18:38,400 –> 00:18:41,279

Josephine Nolan: So Vajrapani

represents the raw power of the

Buddha.

670

00:18:41,279 –> 00:18:45,440

Josephine Nolan: He’s usually dark

blue, very wrathful, holding a Vajra

671

00:18:45,440 –> 00:18:46,240

Josephine Nolan: or thunderbolt.

672

00:18:46,240 –> 00:18:50,079

Josephine Nolan: He is the sheer

brute force needed to shatter the

illusion

673

00:18:50,079 –> 00:18:50,720

Josephine Nolan: of the disease.

675

00:18:51,359 –> 00:18:51,759

Dave Lang: And then there’s

Hayagriva.

677

00:18:52,799 –> 00:18:55,119

Josephine Nolan: Hayagriva is the

embodiment of compassion.

679

00:18:56,000 –> 00:18:56,480

Dave Lang: Wait, really?

680

00:18:56,480 –> 00:18:58,400

Dave Lang: Because the visualization

is insane.

682

00:18:59,200 –> 00:18:59,200

Josephine Nolan: Right.

683

00:18:59,200 –> 00:19:02,960

Josephine Nolan: He’s depicted as

this wrathful red figure with a

screaming

684

00:19:02,960 –> 00:19:05,759

Josephine Nolan: green horse head

bursting out of his hair.

686

00:19:06,240 –> 00:19:07,279

Dave Lang: That does not sound

compassionate.

688

00:19:08,240 –> 00:19:09,519

Josephine Nolan: Well, it’s a

different type of compassion.

689

00:19:09,519 –> 00:19:12,400

Josephine Nolan: The green color

represents swift action.

690

00:19:12,400 –> 00:19:15,359

Josephine Nolan: This isn’t the

gentle compassion of someone holding

your

691

00:19:15,359 –> 00:19:16,240

Josephine Nolan: hand while you cry.

692

00:19:16,240 –> 00:19:19,839

Josephine Nolan: This is the fierce,

urgent compassion of a parent

running

693

00:19:19,839 –> 00:19:21,920

Josephine Nolan: into a burning

building to save their child.

695

00:19:22,480 –> 00:19:22,640

Dave Lang: Oh wow.

696

00:19:22,640 –> 00:19:24,559

Dave Lang: Okay, so it’s active

aggressive compassion.

698

00:19:25,279 –> 00:19:25,279

Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

699

00:19:25,279 –> 00:19:29,440

Josephine Nolan: And the third is

King Garuda.

701

00:19:30,720 –> 00:19:31,599

Dave Lang: The giant bird.

703

00:19:32,160 –> 00:19:33,599

Josephine Nolan: Yes, representing

supreme wisdom.

704

00:19:33,599 –> 00:19:38,400

Josephine Nolan: Garuda is this

massive eagle-like being, often with

swords

705

00:19:38,400 –> 00:19:39,200

Josephine Nolan: for wings.

706

00:19:39,200 –> 00:19:43,200

Josephine Nolan: And in the

mythology, Garudas are the apex

predators of

707

00:19:43,200 –> 00:19:43,440

Josephine Nolan: nagas.

709

00:19:44,240 –> 00:19:46,079

Dave Lang: Nagas being the

snake-like water spirits.

711

00:19:46,799 –> 00:19:46,799

Josephine Nolan: Right.

712

00:19:46,799 –> 00:19:50,079

Josephine Nolan: And nagas are

traditionally associated with

bringing plagues

713

00:19:50,079 –> 00:19:51,359

Josephine Nolan: and underground

diseases.

714

00:19:51,359 –> 00:19:55,039

Josephine Nolan: So King Garuda

opposes those disease-bringing

forces.

716

00:19:55,599 –> 00:19:58,480

Dave Lang: So when a practitioner is

sitting there visualizing a giant

717

00:19:58,480 –> 00:20:02,240

Dave Lang: bladed eagle tearing

apart a plague snake, what is

actually

718

00:20:02,240 –> 00:20:02,880

Dave Lang: happening in their body?

720

00:20:03,519 –> 00:20:06,079

Josephine Nolan: Well, Lama Zopa

Rinpoche talked about this a lot

during

721

00:20:06,079 –> 00:20:07,039

Josephine Nolan: the SARS outbreak.

722

00:20:07,039 –> 00:20:10,480

Josephine Nolan: He explained that

Western medicine is great at

explaining

723

00:20:10,480 –> 00:20:13,279

Josephine Nolan: the gross physical

functions of a virus.

725

00:20:13,920 –> 00:20:14,720

Dave Lang: And the mechanics of it.

727

00:20:15,119 –> 00:20:15,119

Josephine Nolan: Right.

728

00:20:15,119 –> 00:20:18,400

Josephine Nolan: But it completely

ignores the subtle mind.

729

00:20:18,400 –> 00:20:22,799

Josephine Nolan: If your subtle mind

is trapped in terror, your gross

physical

730

00:20:22,799 –> 00:20:24,319

Josephine Nolan: body can’t heal.

731

00:20:24,319 –> 00:20:29,279

Josephine Nolan: So visualizing

Garuda destroying a naga is

basically a

732

00:20:29,279 –> 00:20:33,039

Josephine Nolan: high-definition

psychological simulation of your own

immune

733

00:20:33,039 –> 00:20:33,519

Josephine Nolan: system.

735

00:20:34,000 –> 00:20:36,400

Dave Lang: It’s like visualizing

your white blood cells attacking the

virus.

737

00:20:37,039 –> 00:20:37,039

Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

738

00:20:37,039 –> 00:20:40,559

Josephine Nolan: It shocks the

subtle mind out of its fear loop and

replaces

739

00:20:40,559 –> 00:20:42,400

Josephine Nolan: that fear with

absolute resolve.

740

00:20:42,400 –> 00:20:46,000

Josephine Nolan: And when the subtle

mind is resolute, the gross physical

741

00:20:46,000 –> 00:20:47,359

Josephine Nolan: body follows suit.

743

00:20:48,400 –> 00:20:48,400

Dave Lang: Man.

744

00:20:48,400 –> 00:20:50,079

Dave Lang: That is so powerful.

745

00:20:50,079 –> 00:20:53,279

Dave Lang: Okay, but this brings us

to the final part of our deep dive

746

00:20:53,279 –> 00:20:55,279

Dave Lang: because we’ve talked

about the mind, we’ve talked about

intention

747

00:20:55,279 –> 00:20:59,680

Dave Lang: and visualization, but

the actual engine that drives all of

748

00:20:59,680 –> 00:21:00,400

Dave Lang: this is speech.

750

00:21:01,200 –> 00:21:01,440

Josephine Nolan: The mantras.

752

00:21:02,319 –> 00:21:02,319

Dave Lang: Yes.

753

00:21:02,319 –> 00:21:07,680

Dave Lang: The literal physical

sound waves of ancient Sanskrit

mantras.

754

00:21:07,680 –> 00:21:10,400

Dave Lang: And this is where things

get really crazy.

755

00:21:10,400 –> 00:21:14,079

Dave Lang: Because the sources are

claiming that the physical vibration

756

00:21:14,079 –> 00:21:18,640

Dave Lang: of these words can alter

the body and the environment, even

757

00:21:18,640 –> 00:21:20,880

Dave Lang: if you don’t have any

faith in the religion at all.

759

00:21:21,359 –> 00:21:21,359

Josephine Nolan: Right.

760

00:21:21,359 –> 00:21:25,039

Josephine Nolan: We are moving out

of psychology and straight into

physics.

762

00:21:25,759 –> 00:21:28,720

Dave Lang: So let’s start with the

most basic building block of all

this:

763

00:21:28,720 –> 00:21:30,000

Dave Lang: the syllable A-U-M.

765

00:21:31,039 –> 00:21:31,039

Josephine Nolan: Right.

766

00:21:31,039 –> 00:21:32,880

Josephine Nolan: Commonly pronounced

as om.

768

00:21:33,599 –> 00:21:36,880

Dave Lang: Because the texts say

this isn’t just a sacred word you

say,

769

00:21:36,880 –> 00:21:39,920

Dave Lang: it’s an actual mechanical

process inside your head.

771

00:21:40,400 –> 00:21:40,559

Josephine Nolan: It is.

772

00:21:40,559 –> 00:21:41,680

Josephine Nolan: It’s an acoustic

blueprint.

773

00:21:41,680 –> 00:21:44,799

Josephine Nolan: When you vocalize

it correctly, it happens in three

distinct

774

00:21:44,799 –> 00:21:45,200

Josephine Nolan: phases.

775

00:21:45,200 –> 00:21:47,119

Josephine Nolan: First, the A sound.

776

00:21:47,119 –> 00:21:47,839

Josephine Nolan: Ah.

777

00:21:47,839 –> 00:21:52,000

Josephine Nolan: Your mouth is wide

open and you can literally feel that

778

00:21:52,000 –> 00:21:53,839

Josephine Nolan: vibration in your

chest and abdomen.

780

00:21:54,559 –> 00:21:56,400

Dave Lang: And that corresponds to

the waking state, right?

781

00:21:56,400 –> 00:21:56,640

Dave Lang: Yeah.

782

00:21:56,640 –> 00:21:57,759

Dave Lang: The broad physical

reality.

784

00:21:58,480 –> 00:21:58,480

Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

785

00:21:58,480 –> 00:22:01,920

Josephine Nolan: Then you transition

to The U sound, ooh, you funnel your

786

00:22:01,920 –> 00:22:05,039

Josephine Nolan: lips and the

vibration moves up from your chest

into your

787

00:22:05,039 –> 00:22:06,400

Josephine Nolan: throat and the

lower part of your face.

789

00:22:06,880 –> 00:22:08,160

Dave Lang: Which they link to the

dream state.

791

00:22:08,720 –> 00:22:08,720

Josephine Nolan: Yes.

792

00:22:08,720 –> 00:22:11,440

Josephine Nolan: And finally, the M

sound.

793

00:22:11,440 –> 00:22:13,519

Josephine Nolan: Your lips are

completely closed.

794

00:22:13,519 –> 00:22:18,000

Josephine Nolan: The sound becomes

this tightly focused drone, like a

bee

795

00:22:18,000 –> 00:22:18,319

Josephine Nolan: humming.

797

00:22:18,960 –> 00:22:19,839

Dave Lang: And that vibrates the

cranium.

799

00:22:20,640 –> 00:22:22,720

Josephine Nolan: It reverberates

directly inside the skull.

800

00:22:22,720 –> 00:22:26,079

Josephine Nolan: It physically

vibrates the cerebral cortex and the

pineal

801

00:22:26,079 –> 00:22:26,720

Josephine Nolan: gland.

802

00:22:26,720 –> 00:22:30,880

Josephine Nolan: And this

corresponds to the deepest, most

subtle state,

803

00:22:30,880 –> 00:22:32,640

Josephine Nolan: dreamless sleep.

805

00:22:33,359 –> 00:22:36,480

Dave Lang: So just by saying that

one syllable, you’re manually

massaging

806

00:22:36,480 –> 00:22:38,880

Dave Lang: your entire nervous

system from the bottom up.

808

00:22:39,200 –> 00:22:40,480

Josephine Nolan: And there’s hard

science on this.

809

00:22:40,480 –> 00:22:43,599

Josephine Nolan: Jonathan Goldman,

who does incredible research on

sound

810

00:22:43,599 –> 00:22:47,039

Josephine Nolan: healing, he points

out that self-created chanting

actually

811

00:22:47,039 –> 00:22:50,079

Josephine Nolan: synchronizes the

left and right hemispheres of the

brain.

813

00:22:50,720 –> 00:22:51,119

Dave Lang: Which is wild.

814

00:22:51,119 –> 00:22:53,359

Dave Lang: And doesn’t it also

affect oxygen levels?

816

00:22:53,920 –> 00:22:53,920

Josephine Nolan: Yeah.

817

00:22:53,920 –> 00:22:56,000

Josephine Nolan: It drastically

oxygenates the brain.

818

00:22:56,000 –> 00:22:59,279

Josephine Nolan: And because that M

vibration hits the pineal gland, it

819

00:22:59,279 –> 00:23:00,720

Josephine Nolan: actually triggers

the release of melatonin.

821

00:23:01,680 –> 00:23:03,839

Dave Lang: Wait, so just by humming,

you’re releasing melatonin.

823

00:23:04,799 –> 00:23:04,799

Josephine Nolan: Yes.

824

00:23:04,799 –> 00:23:07,920

Josephine Nolan: You are chemically

altering your brain, lowering your

825

00:23:07,920 –> 00:23:10,640

Josephine Nolan: heart rate, and

prepping your body for deep rest

just

826

00:23:10,640 –> 00:23:12,079

Josephine Nolan: by vibrating your

own vocal cords.

828

00:23:12,799 –> 00:23:13,759

Dave Lang: Okay, I can buy that.

829

00:23:13,759 –> 00:23:18,000

Dave Lang: I can accept that

vibrating my own skull changes my

internal

830

00:23:18,000 –> 00:23:18,400

Dave Lang: chemistry.

831

00:23:18,400 –> 00:23:20,240

Dave Lang: But what about the

environment?

832

00:23:20,240 –> 00:23:24,079

Dave Lang: Because at the very

beginning of the show, I brought up

that

833

00:23:24,079 –> 00:23:25,680

Dave Lang: agricultural study in

China.

835

00:23:26,240 –> 00:23:27,599

Josephine Nolan: In Fujian province,

yeah.

837

00:23:28,000 –> 00:23:31,200

Dave Lang: Right, where they set up

loudspeakers in a wheat field and

blasted

838

00:23:31,200 –> 00:23:33,359

Dave Lang: Sanskrit mantras at the

crops.

839

00:23:33,359 –> 00:23:38,640

Dave Lang: And the wheat grew 15%

larger and had fewer pests than the

silent

840

00:23:38,640 –> 00:23:39,680

Dave Lang: fields next door.

842

00:23:40,160 –> 00:23:40,960

Josephine Nolan: It’s a wild study.

844

00:23:41,599 –> 00:23:42,400

Dave Lang: How does that work?

845

00:23:42,400 –> 00:23:46,640

Dave Lang: A plant doesn’t have a

brain, it doesn’t have ears, it

doesn’t

846

00:23:46,640 –> 00:23:47,200

Dave Lang: have faith.

847

00:23:47,200 –> 00:23:48,000

Dave Lang: Is it magic?

849

00:23:48,559 –> 00:23:49,920

Josephine Nolan: It’s not magic,

it’s sono chemistry.

851

00:23:50,480 –> 00:23:50,480

Dave Lang: Sono chemistry.

853

00:23:51,599 –> 00:23:51,599

Josephine Nolan: Yes.

854

00:23:51,599 –> 00:23:54,960

Josephine Nolan: To understand the

wheat, you have to look at how sound

855

00:23:54,960 –> 00:23:56,240

Josephine Nolan: affects water.

856

00:23:56,240 –> 00:23:59,599

Josephine Nolan: And this brings up

Mazzaro Emoto’s experiments.

858

00:24:00,480 –> 00:24:03,440

Dave Lang: Okay, now wait, Emoto’s

water crystal stuff is pretty

controversial

859

00:24:03,440 –> 00:24:05,359

Dave Lang: in mainstream science,

isn’t it?

861

00:24:05,759 –> 00:24:06,000

Josephine Nolan: It is.

862

00:24:06,000 –> 00:24:09,519

Josephine Nolan: His specific

methods and his claims about human

consciousness

863

00:24:09,519 –> 00:24:13,119

Josephine Nolan: directly freezing

water into pretty shapes have been

heavily

864

00:24:13,119 –> 00:24:13,759

Josephine Nolan: criticized.

865

00:24:13,759 –> 00:24:18,400

Josephine Nolan: But the underlying

physical principle he was pointing

866

00:24:18,400 –> 00:24:21,519

Josephine Nolan: at, that acoustic

frequencies can alter the structure

867

00:24:21,519 –> 00:24:22,880

Josephine Nolan: of liquids, that is

real.

868

00:24:22,880 –> 00:24:23,519

Josephine Nolan: That’s

sonochemistry.

870

00:24:24,480 –> 00:24:26,880

Dave Lang: And it relies on

something called acoustic

cavitation, right?

872

00:24:27,359 –> 00:24:27,359

Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

873

00:24:27,359 –> 00:24:31,839

Josephine Nolan: When a sound wave

travels through liquid, the changes

874

00:24:31,839 –> 00:24:34,240

Josephine Nolan: in pressure create

these microscopic bubbles.

875

00:24:34,240 –> 00:24:37,759

Josephine Nolan: The bubbles expand

and then violently collapse.

877

00:24:38,559 –> 00:24:39,440

Dave Lang: Like tiny little

implosions.

879

00:24:40,319 –> 00:24:40,319

Josephine Nolan: Right.

880

00:24:40,319 –> 00:24:44,000

Josephine Nolan: And the energy

released by those collapsing bubbles

can

881

00:24:44,000 –> 00:24:47,119

Josephine Nolan: fundamentally alter

the chemical activity in that

liquid.

882

00:24:47,119 –> 00:24:51,119

Josephine Nolan: Industry uses

ultrasound cavitation all the time

to break

883

00:24:51,119 –> 00:24:53,920

Josephine Nolan: down pollutants and

water or speed up chemical

reactions.

885

00:24:54,799 –> 00:24:58,160

Dave Lang: So if sound waves can

reorganize chemicals in a vat of

water.

887

00:24:58,640 –> 00:24:58,640

Josephine Nolan: Right.

889

00:24:59,119 –> 00:25:01,599

Dave Lang: And humans and plants are

mostly made of water.

891

00:25:02,079 –> 00:25:02,880

Josephine Nolan: You see where this

is going.

892

00:25:02,880 –> 00:25:06,319

Josephine Nolan: Humans are roughly

60% water, plants are even higher.

893

00:25:06,319 –> 00:25:09,759

Josephine Nolan: If specific sound

frequencies can change the chemistry

894

00:25:09,759 –> 00:25:13,759

Josephine Nolan: of water in a lab,

it makes perfect biological sense

that

895

00:25:13,759 –> 00:25:16,559

Josephine Nolan: rhythmic organized

sound waves could alter the cellular

896

00:25:16,559 –> 00:25:19,599

Josephine Nolan: repair and growth

rates of a water-based organism.

898

00:25:20,400 –> 00:25:20,960

Dave Lang: Oh man.

899

00:25:20,960 –> 00:25:23,920

Dave Lang: That completely changes

how I think about resonance.

900

00:25:23,920 –> 00:25:27,519

Dave Lang: Like normally, if I hear

resonance, I think of that trick

where

901

00:25:27,519 –> 00:25:30,160

Dave Lang: an opera singer hits a

high note and shatters a wine glass.

903

00:25:30,720 –> 00:25:30,720

Josephine Nolan: Right.

904

00:25:30,720 –> 00:25:31,759

Josephine Nolan: Destructive

resonance.

906

00:25:32,400 –> 00:25:32,880

Dave Lang: But this is the opposite.

907

00:25:32,880 –> 00:25:35,279

Dave Lang: It’s like, okay, if I

have two tuning forks, right?

909

00:25:35,599 –> 00:25:35,599

Josephine Nolan: Yes.

910

00:25:35,599 –> 00:25:36,000

Josephine Nolan: Entrainment.

912

00:25:36,880 –> 00:25:36,880

Dave Lang: Yeah.

913

00:25:36,880 –> 00:25:41,039

Dave Lang: If I strike one tuning

fork so it hums perfectly, and I

bring

914

00:25:41,039 –> 00:25:44,880

Dave Lang: it next to a silent

tuning fork, the silent one will

just start

915

00:25:44,880 –> 00:25:46,640

Dave Lang: vibrating in harmony on

its own.

917

00:25:47,119 –> 00:25:47,119

Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

919

00:25:47,920 –> 00:25:51,039

Dave Lang: So if our cells are sick,

they’re vibrating chaotically,

they’re

920

00:25:51,039 –> 00:25:51,599

Dave Lang: out of tune.

922

00:25:52,160 –> 00:25:54,480

Josephine Nolan: And the mantra is

the master tuning fork.

924

00:25:54,880 –> 00:25:54,880

Dave Lang: Right.

925

00:25:54,880 –> 00:25:59,519

Dave Lang: You introduce this

massive, healthy, organized acoustic

frequency

926

00:25:59,519 –> 00:26:04,000

Dave Lang: into your water-based

body, and it coaxes the sick cells

back

927

00:26:04,000 –> 00:26:04,960

Dave Lang: into their natural

rhythm.

929

00:26:05,599 –> 00:26:06,880

Josephine Nolan: That is exactly the

mechanism.

930

00:26:06,880 –> 00:26:11,359

Josephine Nolan: The physical

vibration overrides the chaotic

disease vibrations.

931

00:26:11,359 –> 00:26:14,799

Josephine Nolan: And this raises an

important point about why they use

932

00:26:14,799 –> 00:26:15,759

Josephine Nolan: Sanskrit

specifically.

934

00:26:16,640 –> 00:26:17,839

Dave Lang: Why not just chant in

English?

936

00:26:18,559 –> 00:26:21,279

Josephine Nolan: Because Sanskrit is

considered the matrika, the mother

937

00:26:21,279 –> 00:26:21,759

Josephine Nolan: of languages.

939

00:26:22,640 –> 00:26:23,920

Dave Lang: It has 50 core

vibrations, right?

941

00:26:24,319 –> 00:26:25,200

Josephine Nolan: Yes, 50 core

syllables.

942

00:26:25,200 –> 00:26:29,519

Josephine Nolan: And in these

ancient cosmologies, these aren’t

just random

943

00:26:29,519 –> 00:26:31,759

Josephine Nolan: sounds people

agreed upon to communicate.

944

00:26:31,759 –> 00:26:36,160

Josephine Nolan: They are the

foundational acoustic building

blocks of

945

00:26:36,160 –> 00:26:36,160

Josephine Nolan:reality.

947

00:26:36,880 –> 00:26:38,559

Dave Lang: So Sanskrit is like an

engineered language.

949

00:26:39,119 –> 00:26:42,000

Josephine Nolan: It’s an acoustic

technology designed specifically for

950

00:26:42,000 –> 00:26:45,519

Josephine Nolan: physical and

psychological resonance, which

actually is

951

00:26:45,519 –> 00:26:46,799

Josephine Nolan: right there in the

word mantra.

953

00:26:47,599 –> 00:26:48,640

Dave Lang: What does the word

literally mean?

955

00:26:49,119 –> 00:26:54,240

Josephine Nolan: It comes from two

roots manas, which means mind, and

tre,

956

00:26:54,240 –> 00:26:57,519

Josephine Nolan: which means to

protect or to set free.

958

00:26:58,079 –> 00:26:58,400

Dave Lang: Mind protection.

960

00:26:59,119 –> 00:26:59,119

Josephine Nolan: Right.

961

00:26:59,119 –> 00:27:00,400

Josephine Nolan: An instrument of

thought.

962

00:27:00,400 –> 00:27:03,039

Josephine Nolan: It’s not a prayer

you’re throwing out into the void

hoping

963

00:27:03,039 –> 00:27:04,160

Josephine Nolan: someone hears it.

964

00:27:04,160 –> 00:27:06,960

Josephine Nolan: It’s a physical

tool you use to tune your own

biology.

966

00:27:07,839 –> 00:27:08,799

Dave Lang: So what does this all

mean?

967

00:27:08,799 –> 00:27:11,599

Dave Lang: When we look back at this

whole deep dive, from the scattered

968

00:27:11,599 –> 00:27:15,440

Dave Lang: law all the way to the

water crystals, the through line is

so

969

00:27:15,440 –> 00:27:15,599

Dave Lang: clear.

970

00:27:15,599 –> 00:27:18,799

Dave Lang: Healing isn’t just

swallowing a pill and waiting.

972

00:27:19,519 –> 00:27:20,559

Josephine Nolan: No, it’s highly

active.

973

00:27:20,559 –> 00:27:21,279

Josephine Nolan: It’s a

collaboration.

975

00:27:22,240 –> 00:27:25,519

Dave Lang: You start with the

intention to restore your vitality

by accepting

976

00:27:25,519 –> 00:27:26,160

Dave Lang: impermanence.

977

00:27:26,160 –> 00:27:31,119

Dave Lang: Then you use deity yoga,

whether it’s the Medicine Buddha or

978

00:27:31,119 –> 00:27:34,559

Dave Lang: Black Manjushri, to

recruit your subconscious mind and

counter

979

00:27:34,559 –> 00:27:36,319

Dave Lang: the psychological weight

of the disease.

980

00:27:36,319 –> 00:27:40,079

Dave Lang: And finally, you

physicalize it all by vibrating your

cellular

981

00:27:40,079 –> 00:27:42,880

Dave Lang: water with these

engineered Sanskrit mantras.

983

00:27:43,599 –> 00:27:46,240

Josephine Nolan: You’re hitting the

illness on the gross physical level,

984

00:27:46,240 –> 00:27:49,119

Josephine Nolan: the subtle

psychological level, and the

vibratory cellular

985

00:27:49,119 –> 00:27:50,480

Josephine Nolan: level all at once.

986

00:27:50,480 –> 00:27:53,599

Josephine Nolan: And modern science

is really just starting to map out

987

00:27:53,599 –> 00:27:56,319

Josephine Nolan: the mechanics of a

system that’s been used for

thousands

988

00:27:56,319 –> 00:27:57,119

Josephine Nolan: of years.

990

00:27:57,839 –> 00:28:00,480

Dave Lang: It really is an ancient

technology for human optimization.

991

00:28:00,480 –> 00:28:05,599

Dave Lang: But, you know, taking all

this data seriously leaves us with

992

00:28:05,599 –> 00:28:08,720

Dave Lang: kind of an intimidating

thought about our day-to-day lives.

994

00:28:09,279 –> 00:28:09,519

Josephine Nolan: Oh, definitely.

995

00:28:09,519 –> 00:28:12,400

Josephine Nolan: This is the thing I

can’t stop thinking about.

996

00:28:12,400 –> 00:28:16,400

Josephine Nolan: If we accept

acoustic cavitation, if we know that

sound

997

00:28:16,400 –> 00:28:20,160

Josephine Nolan: waves radically

alter the chemistry of water, and we

know

998

00:28:20,160 –> 00:28:23,519

Josephine Nolan: we are basically

walking bags of water, then we have

to

999

00:28:23,519 –> 00:28:26,480

Josephine Nolan: ask a really

uncomfortable question about our own

internal

1000

00:28:26,480 –> 00:28:27,039

Josephine Nolan: monologue.

1001

00:28:27,039 –> 00:28:30,880

Josephine Nolan: The casual words we

say to ourselves every single day.

1003

00:28:31,359 –> 00:28:31,599

Dave Lang: Oh well.

1004

00:28:31,599 –> 00:28:31,839

Dave Lang: Yeah.

1006

00:28:32,319 –> 00:28:36,400

Josephine Nolan: If chanting ohm can

structure your cellular water for

1007

00:28:36,400 –> 00:28:39,440

Josephine Nolan: healing, what

happens when you spend your entire

day repeating

1008

00:28:39,440 –> 00:28:42,960

Josephine Nolan: things like, I’m so

exhausted, or I’m falling apart, or

1009

00:28:42,960 –> 00:28:43,839

Josephine Nolan: I can’t do this?

1011

00:28:44,319 –> 00:28:45,279

Dave Lang: It’s like a reverse

mantra.

1013

00:28:46,000 –> 00:28:46,000

Josephine Nolan: Exactly.

1014

00:28:46,000 –> 00:28:49,920

Josephine Nolan: Are those daily

complaints physically acting as a

reverse

1015

00:28:49,920 –> 00:28:50,400

Josephine Nolan: mantra?

1016

00:28:50,400 –> 00:28:54,000

Josephine Nolan: Are we literally

making ourselves sick on a molecular

1017

00:28:54,000 –> 00:28:57,119

Josephine Nolan: level just by the

acoustic frequency of our own

negative

1018

00:28:57,119 –> 00:28:57,519

Josephine Nolan: self-talk?

1020

00:28:58,400 –> 00:29:01,200

Dave Lang: If our bodies are

physically listening to every single

dubration

1021

00:29:01,200 –> 00:29:06,319

Dave Lang: we make and structurally

changing because of it, man, we need

1022

00:29:06,319 –> 00:29:08,880

Dave Lang: to be incredibly careful

about the song we’re choosing to

sing.

1023

00:29:08,880 –> 00:29:11,920

Dave Lang: That is a massive

paradigm shift to take into the

week.

1024

00:29:11,920 –> 00:29:15,200

Dave Lang: So to our listeners, we

highly encourage you to observe your

1025

00:29:15,200 –> 00:29:17,680

Dave Lang: own mind-body connection

over the next few days.

1026

00:29:17,680 –> 00:29:22,079

Dave Lang: Pay attention to your

vitality, test out taking a deep

breath

1027

00:29:22,079 –> 00:29:25,920

Dave Lang: to settle your nervous

system, and most importantly, guard

the

1028

00:29:25,920 –> 00:29:28,079

Dave Lang: acoustic environment of

your own mind.

1029

00:29:28,079 –> 00:29:30,720

Dave Lang: Until next time, keep

diving deep.

1031

00:29:33,759 –> 00:29:37,200

Nadine: This has been a Buddha

Weekly Buddha Cast, a deep dive with

Josephine

1032

00:29:37,200 –> 00:29:38,720

Nadine: Nolan and Dave Lang.

1033

00:29:38,720 –> 00:29:42,559

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1034

00:29:42,559 –> 00:29:49,039

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1035

00:29:49,039 –> 00:29:51,279

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1036

00:29:51,279 –> 00:29:54,960

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