Buddha the first consciousness scientist? Science only now beginning to explore what Buddha taught 2500 years ago? Full excerpt from Surangama Sutra
More than 2500 years ago, Buddha taught core beliefs that are only today being proven or explored by science, notably dependent arising, and the true nature of consciousness. Now, with the rising popularity of consciousness studies in science — an exciting area of study — Buddha’s words are being re-examined. It was Buddha who first taught that there is no object without the viewer — no object without subject. Quantum Physics embraced this, and largely proved it through various famous experiments. [For more on this topic see this feature>>]
Physicist John Wheeler put it:
“Useful as it is under ordinary circumstances to say that the world exists ‘out there’ independent of us, that view can no longer be upheld.”
Likewise, with consciousness, we see the marvel of Buddha’s teachings, so clear and illuminating. In the Surangama Sutra, Buddha’s brilliant teaching, framed as a conversation with Ananda, stands as verifiable in modern scientific terms. [For the full, brilliant conversation, see the bottom of this feature with the conversation in full from the Sutra.]
Science and the Buddha
So, here is an eminent scientist: Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, a noted expert in consciousness studies:
“We don’t know what consciousness is, or what it does. There’s no known, obvious reason, why we should be conscious at all, or exactly how the mind works.” His conclusion, based on significant research, was: “…The mind is field-like. That it’s not constrained to the inside of the head.”
Now, here is the Buddha, in the Surangama Sutra:
“If the mind is then within the body, it would be acquainted with the inner parts of the body itself. So that all men should be first sensible of … all that is within them, and afterwards … those things which are without. But how is it then, that we never meet a man who is able to see his own internal organs? That the mind is located within the body cannot be maintained.”
What separates these two notions. Just 2500 plus years.
(See embedded video for this full lecture of Dr. Sheldrake)
There is growing scientific acceptance for Mr. Sheldrake’s thesis — which was originally Buddha’s thesis — some of which he outlines in his lecture (video below). In fact, consciousness studies is one of the most exciting frontier areas of science today.
Mind is a separate entity not “reduced to brain cell processes”
Nobel Prize winning neuroscience Professor Eccles supports the theory that the mind is a separate entity and cannot be “reduced down to the brain cell processes,” according to the Horizon Research Foundation.
An article on the Foundation’s site, asserts “we will never be able to account for the formation of consciousness through the electrical and chemical processes of the brain.” For skeptics, it’s important to realize that all articles on the Research Foundation’s website are reviewed or prepared by scientists directly involved in research.
Professors Karl Popper and John Eccles demonstrated that research indicates a conscious event happens before the relevant brain event, in The Self and Its Brain.
These eminent scientists theorized not just mental and conscious events as separate from the brain, but a self-conscious mind distinct from both.
After Death, Consciousness Continues?
In a well-researched article, Steps Towards Solving the Mystery of Consciousness, the concept of consciousness surviving apparent brain death is highlighted.
“Consciousness appears to be present in 10-20 percent of those who are in cardiac arrest.” The author explained, “brain cells need to communicate using electrical pulses… How is it then that we have a clinical scenario in which there is severe brain dysfunction, the worst possible type, with an absence of electrical activity in the brain, but somehow thought processes, with reasoning, memory formation and consciousness continue and are even heightened?”
Buddhist perspective: duality of mind and brain
From a Buddhist perspective, the duality of mind separate from brain has been accepted since the beginning, and, in some ways, seems a critical support for fundamental Buddhist beliefs in rebirth and karma.
“There are many explanations of what the mind is and of the different categories of mind,” said His Holiness the Dalai Lama in a speech in England in 2008. “For example, there’s a difference made in Buddhism between primary minds and mental factors.” His Holiness explains the two types: “One is brought forth by sensory perception as its immediately preceding condition and the other lacks sensory perception as its immediately preceding condition.”
Until recently, these beliefs have been treated as “faith” fundamentals, supported by authority of the Buddha, and eloquently championed in Dharma debate. Increasingly, there is more and more support amongst scientists specializing in consciousness studies. Promising research may allow us to also anchor our concept of mind, in convincing proofs.
Dr. Alexander Berzin, in his lecture The Conventional Nature of Mind, described it this way: “You can describe experiencing from the point of view of physically what’s happening – there’s the brain and the chemicals and electric stuff – or you can just describe it in terms of subjective experience of it. So we’re talking about the subjective experience of it when we talk about mind.” He went on to explain that the Four Noble Truths are experienced by the mind.
Where is Mind?
Dr. Sheldrake, in his lecture The Mind is Not the Brain, first touches on the important discussion of “just where is the mind?” He describes mind as field-like, similar to the gravitational field of the world, “which stretches out far beyond the earth.”
Mind as fields around the systems they organize
In ancient Buddhist belief, the heart is the seat of the mind. Today, we think of the brain. Either way, science is shedding light on the real nature of mind — that these fields are within and around the systems they organize, according to Dr. Sheldrake. He uses examples such as magnets and gravity which expand beyond the source — for example, by metaphor, the Earth as the brain, and the gravitational field of the earth as the mind. “And I think the same is true of our minds.”
“If the mind is just the brain, which is the normal assumption within academic and medical worlds,” he continued, “then mental activity is nothing but brain activity,” a notion he then elaborately deconstructs as erroneous.
He uses an elaborate example of the mechanism of vision, or seeing, describing first the physiological and neurological mechanism, then the two clear options that explain how we actually “see”. Either the images are projected inside our skull or brain in a form of “virtual reality” or they are exactly where appear, because the mind is able to project or see beyond the brain exactly where it is.
Can you influence something just by looking at it?
He illustrates this by asking the question, “Can you influence something just by looking at it?” He cites studies that indicate that over 90% of people can “feel” when people are looking at them, even when they have their back turned to that person. In scientific studies, there’s overwhelming evidence this is a genuine phenomenon. He illustrates with training examples from the security industry, where it is standard training to security personnel to never look directly a suspect’s back.
The Dalai Lama expounded on the nature of mind in a 2014 speech in Cambridge: “In general, the mind can be defined as an entity that has the nature of mere experience, that is, “clarity and knowing.” It is the knowing nature, or agency, that is called mind, and this is non-material.”
“Buddhist literature, both sutra and tantra, contains extensive discussions on mind and its nature. Tantra, in particular, discusses the various levels of subtlety of mind and consciousness… with references to the various subtleties of the levels of consciousness and their relationship to such physiological states as the vital energy centers within the body, the energy channels, the energies that flow within these and so on.”
Mind Field Theory
The concept of energy channels (often called chakras) and energy body—as described by his Holiness—has been well accepted for centuries in most parts of Asia. In Buddhist visualization, mind and energy are naturally visualized as separate from body in some practices. This aligns with newly emerging science in the field of consciousness studies.
Aligning with this ancient thought, Dr. Sheldrake—a pioneer in consciousness field theory—explains the mind as a field, similar to a gravity field. He supports this with extensive blind research studies, and illustrates with examples such as bird flocks and fish schools, who seem to almost telepathically communicate. He also delves into Quantum particle theories in support of his theory.
Why is this important?
The brain, in relative dualistic terms, is a physical, impermanent implement. Consciousness also arises from the over-arching doctrine of Dependent Arising. [For a feature on Dependent Arising, see>>]. Although not permanent, mind is also something else in Buddhism, and there are different kinds of mind, mostly described in “field-like” terms. Notably, especially the “subtle consciousness” may transcend individual life-times. This is plausibly theorized by research from Professors Popper and Eccles who describe “a Self-Conscious Mind” independent of the brain, that functions even after cardiac arrest.
Self conscious mind, surviving cardiac arrest, is reassuring to those of us who believe that mind survives death. Although rebirth is supported by various other research and near-death studies, the notion of conscious mind surviving physical death adds a new dimension to death meditation and daily practice.
Excerpt of a discussion between Buddha and Ananada on the nature of mind:
Buddha: “Using what means of sight … and who was it that beheld me?”
Ananda: “I used my eyes and my mind”.
Buddha: “Then the true ground of ‘BEHOLDING’ is to be sought in the mind and the eye. But what is the precise location of this mind and this sight?”
Ananda: “Everyone agrees that the mind is within the body and the eye is within the head”.
Buddha: “You are seated in the preaching hall of Tahagata; look out now and see the trees, and tell me where they are situated.”
Ananda: “They are outside the hall”.
Buddha: “And as you sit here in the hall, what is it that you first behold”?
Ananda: “First the Tathagata, next the great assembly, then the trees outside”.
Buddha: “As you behold the trees outside, what is the medium through which you gaze at them?”
Ananda: “The windows of this great hall are open”.
Buddha: “Is it possible for any person within this hall NOT to see the Tathagata, and YET behold objects outside?”
Buddha: “If the mind is then within the body, it would be acquainted with the inner parts of the body itself. So that all men should be first sensible of … all that is within them, and afterwards … those things which are without. But how is it then, that we never meet a man who is able to see his own internal organs? That the mind is located within the body cannot be maintained.”
Ananda: “I must then understand that that the mind is without the body. It seems that the intelligent mind (or perceptive faculty) must be like a lamp placed OUTSIDE a house, not illuminating that which is within.”
Buddha: Take your assertion that the mind is dwelling outside the body. Therefore there must be an external connection between your body and this mind, and when this personal connection is not in action, then what the external mind perceives you yourself cannot know. And since (as far as you are concerned) the knowledge of a thing is the personal knowledge you posses of it, the intelligent mind (apart from this) knows nothing. For instance, I show you my hand: At the moment your eyes perceive it, does not the mind also perceive it?”
Buddha: “Therefore it would appear that the mind is not resident outside the body, in as much as it is disconnected from it”.
Ananda: “I must therefore concede that the power of seeing and knowing is fixed in the one place.”
Buddha: “But what is that place?”
Ananda: “It appears that the mind, if not within, and yet perceiving that without, lies hidden with the sense itself.”
Buddha: “Then why do you not see the eye itself when you gaze upon the mountains? This assertion also cannot be.”
Ananda: “In your discourses with the disciples concerning the true condition of being you have said that the intelligent mind is neither within the body nor beyond it, but is between the two.”
Buddha: “You speak of between the two. Take care that this phrase does not deceive you, so that it means nowhere. Where is the place of this middle point? Does it reside in the sense or in the thing perceived? If the mind is in the middle of the sense and the object of sense, then the substance of mind is either UNITED with the two, or separated and DISTINCT from the two. If UNITED with the two, then there is a confusion of substance, so mind would not be a substantial unit. But if there be no such union, then this intelligent mind must partake of the character of the sense which you say has the power of knowing, and partly of the object of the sense which you say has no such power. The mind therefore has no distinct character; and if so, by what mark may you recognise it, as it exists in the middle of these two opposing powers? You may conclude that this hypothesis is not capable of proof.”
Ananda: “I have heard the assertion that the nature of the mind is such, that it could not be said to be within the body, nor without it, nor in the middle point, but that the mind in its very nature is without a local habitation, and without preference. I would be glad to know whether I may define the mind as that which is “indefinite” and “without partiality”.
Buddha stretched out his hand and drew his fingers into a fist and asked Ananda “What do you see?”
Ananda: “I see the Tathagata raising his arm and bending his fingers into a fist.”
Buddha: “Now, what is the instrument by which you see all this?”
Ananda: “I and all present see this by the use of our eyes.”
Buddha: “If it is your eyes which see the fist, of what account is the mind?”
Ananda: “I take it that the mind is the power by which I investigate.”
Buddha: “No, no, Ananda, this is not your mind”
Ananda: “If this is not my mind, tell me what it may be called.”
Buddha: “This is but the perception of vain and false qualities which, under the guise of your true nature, has from the first deceived you.”
At this time Buddha began his explanation to Ananda and the rest of the congregation intending to excite in them a consciousness of that mind which springs not from any earthly source…
Buddha: “Tathagatha ever says, every phenomenon that presents itself to our knowledge is but a manifestation of the mind … which is the true substratem of all.
If all the varieties of being in the collection of worlds, down to the single shrub, and the leaf, or the fiber of the plant, tracing all these to their ultimate elements-if all these have a distinct and substantial nature of their own-how much more or the pure, excellent, and human mind, which is the basis of all knowledge, to have attributed to it its own essential and substantial existence?
If, you examine this question and still prefer to call the discriminating and enquiring faculty by the name of mind, you must at any rate distinguish it from the power that apprehends the various phenomenon connected with the mere senses and allow the latter a distinct nature.
Thus, while you now hear me declaring the law, it is because of the sounds you hear that there is a discriminating process within you.; yet, after all sounds have disappeared, there still continues a process of thought within, in which memory acts a principal element, so that there is a mind acting as it were on the mere shadows of things.
I do not forbid you to hold your own opinion on the question of the mind, but I only ask you to search out the … question itself.
If, after you have removed the immediate cause of sensation, there is still a discriminative power in the faculty of which we speak, then that is the true mind which you justly designate as yours; but if the discriminative power ceases to exist after the immediate cause which called it in to exercise is removed, then this power is only a shadowy idea, dependent entirely on the external phenomenon.
Suppose you were going along a road, and you were to meet a blind man, and ask him ‘Do you see anything?’ That blind man would reply to you: ‘I see only darkness before my eyes’. What is wanting why this observation should not be called “seeing?”
Ananda: “How can you speak of an act of “seeing” when the same darkness is before the eyes of all blind people”.
Buddha: “All blind people without can only observe darkness; but now take a man who has eyes, and place him in a dark room, is there any difference between the darkness which the blind man observes and the darkness which the man sees who has eyes”.
Ananda: “No. They are the same”.
Buddha: “Suppose the blind man who observes only darkness were suddenly to receive his sight – so that he could perfectly see the various objects before his eyes – this you would call ‘eye-seeing’. Now, suppose that other man who is in a dark room, and who sees nothing before but darkness, were suddenly to have a lighted lamp brought into the room so that he got perfect knowledge of surrounding objects, would you call this ‘lamp-seeing’? ”If so, then the lamp is able to see; but, if the lamp is the same as the eye, why do you call it a lamp? And again, since the lamp would then have the power of observation, what value would your eye have in the matter? You know that the lamp is only able to make things visible so that, as far as seeing is concerned, the eyes have distinct function, opposed to the function of the lamp.
But nevertheless when we speak of the ‘power of sight’, in truth this no more resides in the eye than in the lamp. At this time, Buddha in the midst of the great assembly, opened and closed his hand and then addressed Ananda saying “What is it that you have seen me do?”
Ananda: ‘I saw your palm in the midst of the assembly opened and closed”
Buddha: “When you saw this, was it my hand you saw open and shut, or was it your sight that opened and closed itself?”
Ananda: “It was your hand that opened and closed, for the nature of my seeing faculty admits not opening or closing”
Buddha: “What is it that moves and what is it that rests in this case?”
Ananda: “It was your hand that moved and my seeing faculty is eminently fixed what is there that can unsettle it?”
Buddha: “Just so”… and from the midst of his hand let fly a glorious ray of light which located itself to the right of Ananda, who turned his head and looked over his right shoulder. . Again, Buddha let fly another ray, which fixed itself to the left of Ananda, who turned his head and looked over his left shoulder.
Buddha said to Ananda: “Why did you just now turn your head”
Ananda: “Because I saw light issuing from the precious hand of Buddha and fix itself to the left and right of me, I therefore turned my head to see those lights”
Buddha: “Was it your head which moved, or your sight which moved?”
Ananda: “It was my head which turned, my power of sight is fixed. What then can it move?”
Buddha: “Just so.”
At this time, Prasenadjit Rajah rose from his seat and addressed Buddha: “Tell me, how I may attain the knowledge of the imperishable principle which you call the mind?”
Buddha: “Maharajah! with respect to your present body, I would ask you, Is this body of yours like the diamond, unchangeable in its appearance and … imperishable, or is it, on the other hand, changeable and perishable”
TheRajah: “This body of mine without doubt, in the end, after various changes, will perish”
Buddha: “You have not yet experienced this destruction of the body. How then do you know anything about it?”
TheRajah: “With respect to this transient changeable and perishable body, although I have not yet experience the destruction of which I speak, I observe the case of things around me and ever reflect that all these things are changing – old things die and new things succeed, there is nothing that changes not, thus the wood that now burns will soon be converted into ashes; all things gradually exhaust themselves and die away; there is no cessation of this dying out and perishing. I may certainly know that this body of mine will finally perish …”
Buddha: “You confess that from witnessing these ceasless changes you arrive at the conviction that your body must perish. Let me ask when this time for your body to perish arrives, are you aware of anything connected to yourself that will not perish?”
TheRajah: “I know of no such imperishable thing”
Buddha: “I will now explain to you the character of that ‘nature’ which admits of neither birth or death. Maharajah: When you were a little child, how old were you when you fist saw the river Ganges?”
TheRajah: “When I was three years old”
Buddha: “Let us take up your own illustration respecting your gradual alteration of appearance through every decade of your life. You say that three years of age that you saw this river. Tell me then when you were thirteen years old what sort of appearance had this river then?”
TheRajah: “Just the same as it had been when I was three years old; And now I am sixty two there is no alteration in its appearance”
Buddha: “You are now become decrepit, white-haired and wrinkled in face, and so your face has grown during succesive years, tell me then, has the sight which enable you to see the Ganges in former years become also wrinkled and increasingly so with your years?”
Buddha: “Although your face has become wrinkled, yet your power of sight has in its nature altered not. But that which becomes old and decrepit is in its nature changeable, and that which does not become so, is unchangeable. That which changes is capable of destruction, but that which changes not, must be from its origin incapable of birth or death”
Ananda: “If this sight power is the same as my mysterious nature, then this nature of mine ought to be clear to me; and if this sight power is the same as my true nature, then what is my mind and what is my body?”
Buddha: “Suppose that in the exercise of this vision, you are observing things around you, tell me in what does the SELF of this power consist.
Is it due to the bright light of the sun?
Is it attibutable to the presence of darkness?
Is it the existence of space which constitutes the ground work of its SELF?
Or is it the presence of obstacles that constitutes this self?”
If the bright presence of light is the ground work, then, as this presence is the substantial basis of vison, what can be the meaning of seeing ‘darkness’? If space is the basis of this self caused power, then, how can there be such a thing as an interpretation of sight by any obstacle? Or if any of the various accidents of darkness be considered as the substantial basis of the SELF, then, in the daylight the power of seeing light ought to disappear…
You should be satisfied therefore, that this subtle power of sight, essentially glorious, depends not for its existence, either on cause or connection. It is not what is termed self caused, nor yet is it the opposite of this. It is independent of all conditions and also of all phenomenon…
Therefore Ananda, you ought to know that when you see the light, the seeing does not depend on the light; when you see the darkness, the seeing does not depend on the darkness; when you see space, the seeing is not concerned with the idea of space; and so also with the limitations of space.
These four deductions being settled, then I proceed to say that when we exercise the power of sight through the medium of this very sight-power seeing does not depend on this sight-power. Even while ‘seeing’ we may be still at a distance from ‘true sight’. Nor by the exercise of sight do we necessarily exercise the power of ‘true sight’….
Ananda, consider a man whose afflicted with a cataract.
At night, when the light of the lamp shines before him, he thinks he sees a round shadow encircling the flame, composed of the five colours interlacing one another.
What think you with regard to the perception of this round effulgence encircling the flame of the night lamp. Is the beautiful colour in the lamp, or is it in the eye? If it is in the lamp, then why does not a man whose sight is healthy see it? If it is in the sight of the person then, as it is the result of an act of vision, what name shall we give to the power that produces these colours?
We conclude therefore that the object looked at that, ie: the flame, is dependent on the lamp, but that the circle is the result of imperfect vision. Now all such vision is connected with disease. However to see the cause of the disease (the cataract) is curative of the disease…
So, just what you and other creatures see now, the mountains, rivers, countries and lands, all this, I say, is the result of an original fault of sight… of the cataract, as it were, on the true and ever-glorious power of sight which I possess.
If this ordinary power of sight be a cataract on the eye of my true sight, it follows that the pure and bright mind of my true knowledge in seeing all these unreal associations is not afflicted with this imperfection; that which understands error is not itself in error; so that, having laid hold of this true idea of sight, there will be no further meaning in such expressions ‘hearing by the ears’ or ‘knowing by the sight’.
This faculty then, which we an all the twelve species of creatures possess, and which we call sight - this is the same as the cataract on the eye – it is the imperfection of ‘true sight’: but that true and original power of vision which has become thus perverted, and is in its nature without imperfection - that cannot properly be called by the same name…
At this time, attentive to the words of the Buddha Tathagata, Ananda and all the congregation obtained illumination. The great assembly perceived that each one’s mind was co-extensive with the universe, seeing clearly the empty character of the universe as plainly as a leaf, and that all things in the universe are all alike merely the excellently bright and primeval mind of Buddha, and that this mind is universally diffused, and comprehends all things within itself.
And still reflecting, they beheld their generated bodies, as so many grains of dust in the wide expanse of the universal void, now safe, now lost; or as a bubble of the sea, sprung from nothing and born to be destroyed. But their perfect and independent soul (they beheld) as not to be destroyed, but remaining ever the same; It is identical with the substance of Buddha.
Buddha: “This unity alone in the world is boundless in its reality, and being boundless is yet one.
Though in small things, yet it is in great.
Though in great things, yet it is in small.
Pervading all things, present in every minutest hair, and yet including the infinite worlds in its embrace;
enthroned in the minutest particle of dust, and yet turning the Great Wheel of the Law;
opposed to all sensible phenomena; it is one with Divine Knowledge.
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Thank you for your clarifying article. We would like to translate it in French and publish it on our new blog (https://dhagpobordeaux.wordpress.com). Are you agree
Yes, please do feel free to translate and post on your site. I’ll be sure to post a link to the translated article when it’s up if you let me know. Please do credit Buddha Weekly as the source, and link to https://buddhaweekly.com or the original story. In kindness, Lee
Are you agree ? Puntso
Yes, please go ahead.
This part is not accurate:
“For example, there’s a difference made in Buddhism between primary minds and mental factors.” His Holiness explains the two types: “One is brought forth by sensory perception as its immediately preceding condition and the other lacks sensory perception as its immediately preceding condition.”
If you click on the link to the speech, it is mental consciousness that he is talking about, not the difference between primary minds and mental factors:
“Now as for mental consciousness, there are two types: one is brought forth by sensory perception as its immediately preceding condition and the other lacks sensory perception as its immediately preceding condition”
To my understanding of Abhidhamma, two types of mind perhaps explained by
His Holiness Dalai Lama means Vithi Citta (Cognitive Mind process) that is related to sensory perception, Eye, Ear, Nose, Tongue, Body, ( so called Mind Door- Bhavinga) through entry doors and another one without sensory perception or without physical body organ doors- Bhavinga= Life continuum, “without door- Dwara Vi Motti Citta.
As a Science related Medical Doctor and a Buddhist with strong Abhidhamma
learning and research scholar, I believe Brain is not Mind,but it is like Electromagnetic Wave receiver similar to TV or any Radio wave receivers.
It’s actually over 2,600 years ago, right!
Also how many Buddhist followers have ever lived on Earth??
P.S. Several places–Like GE (in an anechoic chameber–1958?) decades ago and very recently another group have claimed to have that the brain transmits and recieves AM and FM of extreme sensitivity–Say3 micovolts.
But this is not to be confused with the Planes of Existences or discussed with the M-theory physicists yet!!
Nice artcile….but i disagree that Budhha was the first conscious scientist.. Read the Upanishads and Vedas .. In fact the entire philosophy of Indian sages say this. Same can be found there. What Budhha taught was the contemporary view of Indian sages at that time .. Yogic philosophy also refer to the same..